I have been looking for some of these for awhile, and finally ran across some in some classified in Kansas, called and spoke to the guy, and an hour later, we agreed on a price. Let me just say you never know who your gonna meet and what you may have in common. So most of our conversation was hunting, shooting and kiddos. These have no collection value to me. They are way cool and as you all know I like brass. These are from 1987, made in Brazil for Remington. They are CBC brass, which is mag tech. If you google CBC Brazil you will get some pretty interesting history. In my personal opinion the valmet brass is much better quality, as it’s thicker brass, but my UMC brass gets it done.