Euro Trash II

Discussion in 'Reloading' started by Ranger6, May 24, 2021.

  1. Ranger6

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    Auzzie: thank you sir, I do like to make the most consistent loads I can. I’m normally not a person that gives up real easy. I (like you) enjoy spending time doing new loads. I have learnt a lot about shooting from reloading. I am almost at the end stage of the euro trash. I will load some of each in the next couple weeks and send them off for testing. I’m still waiting to get the chronograph out, don’t think the weather is going to change from 80% rain.
  2. Ranger6

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    Thought I would post a picture of the new kid on the block from Rio. These are vintage 1896 paper shells. Not real impressed with their crimps but......
    I haven’t decided if I wanna sacrifice one to see what’s inside, but I’m sure I will as the curiosity killed the cat. The wad in these is a bossi wad. The #8 shot is uniform and comes in at.839 oz. and the powder is 19.9 grains. Looks like csb1 powder which makes sense cause it is made by maxam.

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  3. Ranger6

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    Update: shot the Rio papers today and even know they are a little fast for me, I liked them so much that I ordered another flat.
  4. Ranger6

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    So once I shoot something I have to reload it so worked up a load for the Rio papers. The load was Rio once fired paper. 19.0 grains of red dot. Rio primer and sub’ed in a Winchester 209( for win7). I started with the CB-6100-12. Load 10 shells that broke 10 targets. I have since loaded some with same load and the CB-2100-12(federal 12so), and will shoot tomorrow. I used a gaep cone pre crimper and then finished the final crimp with the mec. The crimps on these papers took a lot of adjustments, and even know there is a small hole in the center, it has no effect on breaking targets. I have adjusted to my max to try and close the hole in the center, but it remains. Further adjustments crush the hull. I don’t like a hole in the crimp, but looking at the factory crimp ( with hole) I’m gonna call it good. The CB 2100 wad seems to have a little less of a hole then the 6100. I normally pattern my loads, but the CB 6100 provides a great pattern. If there are no issues with the 2100 wad I will probably not pattern. These are a one and done, for right now. I plan on roll crimping some to see the results, but need a good paper roll crimper for 12 gauge.

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  5. Ranger6

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    Shot some of the paper Rio reloads and they performed flawlessly. Both loads with the 6100 and 2100 broke clays. I like options when reloading so I loaded a couple of them with 7/8 oz # 8.The load was the same as the 1 oz. I placed a 20 gauge felt spacer in the bottom of the 6100 wad and reduced the shot level. It worked great on skeet. I may change my mind about one and done on these, as the ones I fired today( reloaded) looked about the same as the once fired. I will know more on the next reload. I have a gaep 12 gauge roll crimper on the way from Italy so hopefully it will clean the crimps up just a bit.
  6. Ranger6

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    Still messing with the crimps on the 1896 papers. I will say they don’t crimp like the federal papers, but after lots of adjustments I have come close to factory as I think I’m gonna get. The factory shell is at the top of the picture.

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  7. Ranger6

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    I also wanted to try out the new gaep paper roll crimper. So I cut one of the Rio papers to 2 1/2 and rolled it with the gaep tool. I will have to say I’ve never been disappointed with anything from gaep.

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  8. Ranger6

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    BP tool update, I tend to like tools that work and some of the BP tools just plain suck, so I like to give my personal opinion of what works and what does not. The ones that don’t work get returned with a full refund from BP. So looking for a new way to trim papers, as none of the hull trimmers really get a clean cut with out careful application. The papers normally tear vs. cutting. I ordered the new spin and trim and I must say it puts a nice cut on the papers. Now I need to adjust to 2 1/2 and see how it cuts the prior fold crimp

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  9. Ranger6

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    Update on the spin and trim, works great on plastic hulls. Works great on paper if your cutting below the fold crimp. Not so well when trimming a 2 3/4 paper hull when trying to cut to 2 1/2. Which means your cutting part of the prior fold crimp, so back to the drawing board.
  10. Ranger6

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    Made it over to my buddies machine shop with the BP spin-n- trim to find a solution for cutting the 3 rd time fired paper hulls to 2 1/2 and getting one more time out of them. The black plastic piece on the trimmer is to small for paper hulls and doesn’t provide enough support for the paper hull and tears it instead of cutting it. So I turned a piece out of aluminum stock to fit the hull tight( see pictures), gave the end a taper to help with hull sliding on and put threads in each end to adapt to the BP tool.

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  11. Ranger6

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    It now makes good clean cuts no matter where you cut. I wondered if the razor would last as long on the aluminum, as opposed to the plastic, so time will tell. I also stretched the original spring on the trimmer about a good inch to inch and a half. The tool could be improved further, but we will see how it last in a couple months.
  12. Auzzie

    Auzzie 20g

    Ranger good post. I have never loaded myself or seen cardboard loaded before other than ancient 1950s stuff so this has answered lots of questions for the un initiated .What was old is coming round new again. You can see as things change and shotgun sports become more and more environmentally focused bio degrading cardboard will make a comeback big time and so will felt wads. You will be able to charge yourself out as consultant or subject matter specialist. Looks like grandads teachings will be back in vogue. Been somewhat inspired to investigate further.
  13. Ranger6

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    Auzzie, wish I had paid more attention when I was a youngster, but I agree all these things are coming back. I like the papers. I don’t know, think I was born 100 years to late.

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