Browning A5 in the 7xxx range

Discussion in 'Browning Auto A-5' started by Ken1957, Nov 27, 2019.

  1. Ken1957

    Ken1957 Copper BB

    I am researching a friends A5 for him as he does not do computers. He owns a frame and barrels for a engraved A5 serial number in the 7xxx range, the engraveing is exactly like what is pictured on the Shirley/Vanderlinden book pages 58 and 59. We do not know what the stock and forend should look like for this grade, specifically the checkering patern, lines per inch, layout etc. do you guys have a picture to reference from as my friend does his own stock work. Thanks in advance
    Ken
  2. Bill Idaho

    Bill Idaho .410

    I am relatively certain the checkering on the wood was essentially the same as the lower grade models. (The wood itself might have been a higher grade with fancier grain, etc.)
    The checkering is 20 lines per inch, and the layout would be the same as any other checkered stock from that time era. The bordering lines will cross (figure 122-1 in the bible) underneath on the grip-which more than likely would have been a round butt.
  3. Ken1957

    Ken1957 Copper BB

    Bill thank you for your reply, I am thinking that the checkering wasn't any fancier too. I would just like to see a picture if there is one available.
  4. Bill Idaho

    Bill Idaho .410

    Since the checkering itself is the same as the "regular" checkering, there are plenty of pictures throughout the bible showing close-ups. If you look at figure # 138-2, 139-2, and 139-3 you will see a different carving on the butt stock where it meets the rear of the receiver. The captions refer to a Grade 4, and pardon my ignorance, but I don't know if the model your friend has is a Grade 4 or not. (Way above my pay grade.) It would seem logical then, IF your friend's gun IS a Grade 4, then that fancier wood would be appropriate. The bible mentions the real early guns being offered with special order English Walnut, so that might be something to consider as well.

    Pictures of a before and after?
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  5. Ken1957

    Ken1957 Copper BB

    Bill looking at photo fig 59-1 there does not appear to have a tear drop on the side of the stock by the frame. I am going to continue my search for an example showing the whole gun in the picture. My friend is quite picky.
    Thanks again
  6. Bill Idaho

    Bill Idaho .410

    Being a purist when it comes to restoring things, I understand completely.

    I have also been restoring military vehicle for the last twenty years. It can prove to be quite frustrating when it needs to be done correctly, not "close enough", or "I think it's supposed to be this way".

    Check out the middle A5 shown on the cover of the book. That example shows a bit more of the fancier stock, including the grip. (That looks like a 3 shot, and somewhere in the early Grade 2 or early Grade 3 range.) At the very least, it gives a little better picture of what a fancier stock looked like, possibly/probably appropriate for your friends gun.

    The key words here are "possibly/probably". Keep us posted, as any information gained helps all of us A5 geeks down the road at some time.

    Try the museum in Utah? Give them a call.
  7. Ken1957

    Ken1957 Copper BB

    Bill my friend is 78 years old and I am trying to get him motivated to work on this gun. I collect L. C. Smith shotguns and my friend is my go to guy if I need any wood work on my guns, when he works on my guns he goes to the point of timing the screws so they are not out of wack, he is a perfectionist. If i do not find the exact engraved style gun in a picture showing the correct configuration he will not move forward.
    Ken
  8. Ranger6

    Ranger6 .270 WIN

    Hey can we get some pictures of that fancy stock out of the Bible?
  9. Bill Idaho

    Bill Idaho .410

    1.) Posting pictures and me are NOT on speaking terms. I know barely enough about computers to type on these forums!
    2.) There might be some legal copyright issues.
  10. Ken1957

    Ken1957 Copper BB

    Here is what I think it should look like

    Ken

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  11. Bill Idaho

    Bill Idaho .410

    I saw a straight stock A5 at a gun show about ten years ago with checkering like that. I have also seen a couple of straight stocks with no checkering.
    I am hitting the Boise area gun shops early next week. I will see if there any in captivity.
  12. Biz

    Biz .410

    Ken, the checkering of the stock you show is from a Trap model. Here is a pic of two 1904 buttstock with an original buttplate. The second picture is a forearm from a 1904, serial 7343, suicide safety and the Ogden Utah marking on the barrel. Hope this help.

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  13. Ken1957

    Ken1957 Copper BB

    Biz,
    Thank you so much! I really appreciate the pictures.
    Ken
  14. Biz

    Biz .410

    My pleasure, if you need more detailed pictures, let me know.
  15. win7stw

    win7stw .270 WIN

    I would love to see your collection.
  16. Biz

    Biz .410

    May be Rudolph can borrow an Airbus A380 for one weekend and pick you up and land to the Ottawa airport. I will have you guy for supper and after I will show you those old wrecks.
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